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Hoćeš reći da je whey protein sintetički stvoren? Ne kontam šta si htio reći...

sto se kacis za moj post? pijan sam ne da mi se objasnjavati...

da, whey je sinteticki stvoren, nije vidio ni farme ni surutke... hemijska formula odgovara sadrzaju, ali ako ih uporedo rastvaras u laboratoriji, dve totalno razlicite stvari... jbg...

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Ja samo znam da sam ovo "zajebana urma" (u Braniiiinom slučaju "mušmula") ja prvi počeo koristiti i da ću da ga tužim za plagijat :D

jeb' se ti znas...
kako da ga citiram u pm :D
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Poslednji put menjao Braneee dana 27 Dec 2012, 16:47, izmenjena samo jedanput

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ali whey prasak/supstanca je hemijski izolovana iz nicega, obicna supstanca napravljena u laboratoriji...


Edukacija i edukacija, i opet, edukacija, citati, informisati se, zatim jos citati!!!

Gdje si ti nasao da je whey obicna supstanca napravljena u laboratoriji?

To me interesuje jer na sve i jednom, ali bas sve i jednom izvoru na netu (i u knjigama) pise da se whey dobija od surutke (whey i znaci surutka na engleskom, cisto za neupucene), dakle osnovni i pocetni izvor surutke je mlijeko (surutka ostane od sira, nakons to se mlijeko obradi u sir), a ti tvrdis totalno drugu stvar...

Evo prvi link sto sam nasao na google-u:
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Whey protein is the collection of globular proteins isolated from whey, a by-product of cheese manufactured from cow's milk. The protein in cow's milk is 20% whey protein and 80% casein protein,[11] whereas the protein in human milk is 60% whey and 40% casein.[12]


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_зока je napisao:
Hoćeš reći da je whey protein sintetički stvoren? Ne kontam šta si htio reći...

sto se kacis za moj post? pijan sam ne da mi se objasnjavati...

.

Kačim se jer mi nije bilo jasno šta si htio reći. To što si ti malo pod gasom nije moj problem :wink:

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Hehehe, neka radi ko sta hoce, najljepse je jesti... zabranjeno voce :)

http://www.tehnologijahrane.com/tehnolo ... od-surutke

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Surutka je sporedni proizvod industrije sira i kazeina. Zavisno od načina koagulacije mlijeka imamo:

kiselu surutku – nastala koagulacijom mlijeka kiselinom
slatku surutku – nastala koagulacijom mlijaka proteolitičkim enzimima.


Osnovni nedostaci surutke kao sirovine za industriju je laka pokvarljivost i nizak sadržaj suve materije.

Njen prosječan sastav izgleda ovako:
Suva materija (%) 5 – 6.5
Laktoza 3.9 – 4.8
Mast 0.05- 0.3
Azotne materije (proteinska komponenta) 0.6 – 0.8
Mineralne materije 0.3 – 0.6
Mlijecna kiselina 0.1 – 0.8

Proizvodi od surutke mogu se svrstati u 4 osnovne grupe:

fermentisani
hidrolizovani
koncentrovani
sušeni proizvodi od surutke


Koncentrisani i sušeni

1. Surutka u prahu. Tehnoloski postupak sastoji se od separacije masti – pasterizacije – uparavanja[1] na 40-60% suve materije – kristalizacije laktoze u uređajima za hlađenje uz dodatak nukleusa kristalizacije – sušenja raspršivanjem.

Naročito izražen nedostatak surutke u prahu je hidroskopnost praha i sklonost ka zgrudnjavanju. Ove osobine zavise od stanja laktoze. Amorfna laktoza je ljepljiva, stvara probleme pri sušenju i prouzrokuje kod proizvoda hidroskopnost. Zbog ovoga se laktoza prevodi u kristalni a- hidratni oblik.

Kristalizacijom laktoze i instantizacijom praha moguće je proizvesti praktično nehidroskopan prah surutke.

Surutka u prahu koristi se i industriji konditora, hljeba, peciva, mliječnih i mesnih proizvoda, supa, sosova i drugim prehrambenim granama u kojima se koristi suva materija surutke kroz koncentrovanu surutku ili surutku u prahu.


Dalje struka kaze:

http://www.tehnologijahrane.com/tehnolo ... -proizvoda



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Postupci za proizvodnju koncentrata proteina surutke

Pod surutkom se podrazumeva tečna faza koja se dobija u proizvodnji proteinskih mlečnih proizvoda (sira, kazeina). To je tečnost koja se izdvaja iz gruša posle koagulacije mleka enzimima, kiselinama i toplotom.

Preradom mleka u različite vrste sira ili kazein, neke komponente mleka prelaze u surutku u različitom procentu, pri čemu najviše pređe laktoze (preko 90%), mineralnih materija preko 80%, hidrosolobilnih vitamina preko 60%. Oko 20% azotnih materija mleka prelazi u surutku, a masti i liposolubilnih vitamina ispod 10%. Energetska vrednost surutke prosečno iznosi 1050 kJ/kg. Od toga najveći deo pripada laktozi, oko 49%, a proteinima oko 17% (Carić, 1990).

U proteine surutke ubrajaju se belančevine mlečnog seruma (nekazeinski proteini), kao i frakcije kazeina koje zaostaju nakon precipitacije enzimom ili kiselinom. Proteine surutke čine sledeće frakcije mlečnog seruma:

Frakcija albumina (80%)

β- laktoglobulin 55%
α- laktoalbumin 20%
albumin krvnog seruma 5%

Frakcija globulina (imunoglobulin) 10%
Frakcija proteoza i peptona 10%

Oko 4% ukupnog kazeina mleka prilikom proizvodnje sira pređe u surutku, i to u vidu makropeptita κ-kazeina, koji se izdvaja u biohemijskoj fazi koagulacije, čini 0,01% surutkinih proteina. Velika biološka vrednost proteina surutke je posledica visokog sadržaja i povoljnog međusobnog odnosa esencijalnih aminokiselina, posebno izoleucina, lizina, treonina i triptofana. Količina slobodnih aminokiselina u suruci je 6-9 puta veća nego u mleku, što se objašnjava hidrolizom belančevina sirišnim fermentom i radom bakterija mlečne kiseline. Proteini surutke su, za razliku od kazeina, termolabilni i ireverzibilno se denaturišu na temperaturama višim od 70ºC.

Valorizacija surutke može sa se ostvari primenom različitih metoda, samostalno ili u kombinaciji. Prerada surutke se razvija u četiri osnovna pravca u okviru kojih postoji više metoda prerade:
1. Koncentrisanje i sušenje
2. Frakcionisanje
3. Hidroliza
4. Fermentacija


Jedan od najčešćih načina za dobijanje KONCENTRATA PROTEINA SURUTKE je primena separacionih metoda kao sto su: ultrafiltracija, dijafiltracija i gelfiltracija. Sastav komercijalnih preparata koncentrata proteina surutke prikazani su u tabeli 6.

ULTRAFILTRACIJA (UF) je membranski separacioni proces koji se odvija pod dejstvom pritiska, pri čemu se pored rastvarača razdvajaju i pojedine komponente iz rastvora, u zavisnosti od njihove veličine i strukture.

Ultrafiltracijom kroz membranu prolaze mali molekuli, kao što su voda, laktoza i soli, a veće i složenije molekule (makromolekuli), kao što su proteini i masti, membrana ne propušta (slika 8). Na taj način dobijamo visokomolekularnu frakciju sastavljenu od proteina i masti, koja se naziva koncetrat ili retentat, i niskomolekularnu frakciju, koju čine voda, soli, laktoza i aminokiseline i koja se naziva ultrafiltrat ili permeat. Ultrafiltracijom proteini surutke se koncetrišu do 80% u suvoj materiji . Radna temperatura je 50-55ºC.



I tako dalje, i tako dalje... Taman da se podsjetim davnih ispita :)

Braneee, ako vec iznosis tako smione tvrdnje, potkrijepi ih necim, iza mojih stoji svaki univerzitet i srodan tehnoloski institut, kao i mlijecna industrija, koji ce potvrditi lako iz prve ruke kako se dobija surutka u prahu. Jednostanvo, proces koji se decenijama vec vrsi u sklopu mlijecne proizvodnje, jer se negdje mora sa tolikom surutkom, ne smije se pustati u kanalizacije jer je veoma bioaktivna, a nemas gjde odlagati hektolitre i hektolitre koji se dnevno proizvedu u svakoj mljekari. Dakle, prerada susenjem, najlogicnije.

"Vjestacko sintetisanje ni iz cega" ne postoji, ne mozes iz vazduha dobiti nesto. Ako mislis na to da se dobija iz nafte ili neceg slicno omnipotentnog, nemoguce, najblaze receno jako tesko, ti procesi su veoma skupi, pogotovo kad bi se radilo na tako velike kolicine i kada bi moralo prolaziti takve kontrole kao sto prolazi jedna prehrambena namirnica.


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znas kako, spenkujte me na prvu, zaletio sam se bez argumenata...
cime da ih potkrijepim kad nisam nikad vidio kako se proizvodi? znam samo ono sto me skolstvo naucilo...
iznosim samo licna uvjerenja i zakljucke...
da ti budem iskren nisam procitao ovo tvoje, javicu se sutra sa komentarom kad procitam i vidim izvore...

ono sto mogu da obecam je sledece, misija otici u postrojenje gdje prave whey, pa vidjeti sta i kako...
svako od vas ima mogucnost uporediti whey i "izvuceno iz surutke", u laboratoriji na sumarstvu ce vam svi izaci u susret pa idite i testirajte, fotografisite i snimite, da vam se ne desi da budete bez argumenata... ono nece stajati univerzitet iza vas, ali bar ce te znati da ste u pravu...

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a sto ne bi temu prosirili na aminokiseline? ipak je'n protein ima preko 50-tak a.k.

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dangerous.datula je napisao:
Omega 3 je kralj suplemenata, povoljno utice na sve moguce aspekte zdravlja (jer smanjuje upalne procese koji su losi za tijelo), pljackaski je preskupa kod nas i dobijate neke mizerne dozice (120/180 po kapsuli), koje su jedva dovoljne da te malo zagolicaju.

U svijetu fitnessa i bba, omega ima veliko svecano mjesto

http://www.brinkzone.com/articles/fish- ... -fat-loss/
http://www.brinkzone.com/uncategorized/ ... le-growth/

Hoces smrsati ili dobiti misice, omega 3 mnogo pomaze u oba slucaja.


Omega 3, 500 ml, 10.8 eura sa aromom (ne smrdi na ribu i ne podrigujes na ribu), doza od 5 ml daje
EPA (Eicosapentaenoic acid): 825mg
DHA (Docosahexaenoic acid): 550mg

Pricam danas sa likom u teretani, kako bih uzeo ovih omega 3 kapsula, kad ce on: Joj buraz nemoj se sa tim zajebavati, to te skorz procisti, kasnije se moras paziti masne hrane, mozes dobiti trombozu... WTF :-? Lik me isprepada zivog...

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Samo jos jedan dokaz kako svako voli da se pravi pametan. Ja nikada nisam nigdje ni u jednom od clanaka naisao na to sto taj prica. Kamo srece da je samo to u pitanju...

Svakakvih se covjek gluposti naslusa u teretani, zato ni ne idem bez mp3 plejera u istu...


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Besparica je napisao:
dangerous.datula je napisao:
Omega 3 je kralj suplemenata, povoljno utice na sve moguce aspekte zdravlja (jer smanjuje upalne procese koji su losi za tijelo), pljackaski je preskupa kod nas i dobijate neke mizerne dozice (120/180 po kapsuli), koje su jedva dovoljne da te malo zagolicaju.

U svijetu fitnessa i bba, omega ima veliko svecano mjesto

http://www.brinkzone.com/articles/fish- ... -fat-loss/
http://www.brinkzone.com/uncategorized/ ... le-growth/

Hoces smrsati ili dobiti misice, omega 3 mnogo pomaze u oba slucaja.


Omega 3, 500 ml, 10.8 eura sa aromom (ne smrdi na ribu i ne podrigujes na ribu), doza od 5 ml daje
EPA (Eicosapentaenoic acid): 825mg
DHA (Docosahexaenoic acid): 550mg

Pricam danas sa likom u teretani, kako bih uzeo ovih omega 3 kapsula, kad ce on: Joj buraz nemoj se sa tim zajebavati, to te skorz procisti, kasnije se moras paziti masne hrane, mozes dobiti trombozu... WTF :-? Lik me isprepada zivog...



Naprosto genijalno... Ne bih da ikog vrijeđam, ali činjenice govore - sve su šanse da je pomenuti junak neupućen-neuk, da je naivan i vjeruje u svakakve gluposti, da je nešto pomiješao, ili najgore, da je jednostavno glup pa je samostalno došao do takvog zaključka.

Evo ti razmisli, ako nakon normalne upotrebe kasnije možeš tako lako dobiti trombozu, ima li ikakve logike da bi taj suplement ili lijek, mogao da se kupi u svakoj apoteci i prodavnici zdrave hrane BEZ ikakvog recepta i koristi ljekarskog nadzora?

Koliko bi onda znao mladih momaka koji su dobili infarkt/moždani udar (logičan slijed tromboze), jer su koristili omegu, pogotovo što se koristi u velikim količinama na definiciji zbog održanja mišića, a onda ubrzo drastično smanjiš-prestaneš, i krećeš na masu gdje bude masnije hrane kao u priči?

To ti se danas zove "bro science", gdje svako svašta priča i iznosi svemirske tvrdnje ili o štetnosti, ili o superiornosti nečeg, a izvori su "iz glave" ili od nekog lika (bro-a). Kad god mi neko krene lupati takve stvari, samo kažem jednu stvar - pošalji mi reference od zvaničnih zdravstveno-istraživačkih centara na mail, da pročitam rad kojim se došlo do takvih zaljučaka. Onda bude, "eee, ma ja sam to čuo od jednog"... Neka hvala.

Na internetu takođe imaš mnogo "bro scienca", pogotovo ga koristi fitness industrija, gdje nađu istraživanje koje eventualno nagovještava da neka komponenta MOŽE malo bolje da utiče od druge, i odmah to koriste da istaknu kako je nepobjedivo superioran baš njihov proizvod jer sadrži istu u baš tom omjeru. Niko ne pita što u praksi to nema apsolutno nikakvog značaja, ni u promilima.

Eto i ti si se isprepadao a citiraš članke koje sam ostavio. Jesi li pogledao koje sve institucije i imena stoje iza istraživanja koja su korištenja u pisanju istog? Ali prirodna reakcija jeste da se čovjek uplaši jer je u pitanju zdravlje i život, pa makar takvu tvrdnju iznio potpuni stranac.

Spoiler:
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Jedino što mi pada na pamet, da je momak pomiješao omegu 3 sa antikoagulansima (lijekovi za razrjedjivanje krvi) ali opet trebaš biti baš biser da dodješ do takve poveznice :)


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Stvarno nesavjesno, pocetniku davati brzi estar, šta treba nevješt čovjek da se bode svaki dan ne bi li se kako ubio embolijom?

I još pored etanata Galenikinog, čistog medicinskog, da nabavlja kojekakve undergrounde? Pfff Omare, hajde što navodiš na zlo ljude, ali gdje je kupujmo domaće duh?


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