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| Autoru: | MonaLisa [ 28 Feb 2008, 20:18 ] |
| Tema posta: | To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Ljudi, zar je moguce da nijedna jedina tema nije posvecena najvecem dramskom piscu, jednom od najvecih mislioca ikada?! Zanima me, koliko ljudi citaju Shakespeara? Koliko sam ja primijetila, jako slabo. Svi nesto ili citaju lagane lektire ili ne citaju uopste. Ajmo Shakespearovci, razuvjerite me! Ima li ljubitelja drame? Sta vam se svidja, koji su vam omiljeni citati, kako ste shvatili pojedine dijelove? Pisite kako vam drago... 
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| Autoru: | XIX century [ 29 Feb 2008, 02:14 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
O ima ljubitelja, naravno . Volim sva njegova djela, ali bih izdvojila Magbeta i Buru. Magbeta zbog škotskog folklora i vještica, a Buru zbog opisane ljubavi između Mirande i njenog dragana ( premda su ovo sporedne teme i motivi u oba komada, ali ja volim te teme i likove koji ostaju u pozadini i nisu popularizovani).što se tiče naslova ' to be or not to be' pitanje vječne ljudske dileme, izbora između dve strane, dve opcije, i naposljetku života i smrti, itd.. ima toga mnogo još, nek neko otpočme šiz... možemo malo i o Šekspirovom životu/biografiji.. nije bio univerzitetski obrazovan, no jeste bio dosta načitan (mimo akademske institucije), pa ga stoga akademci nisu voljeli - kako neko ko nije član akademije,može tako dobro i genijalno stvarati i pisati?  
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| Autoru: | Jim Walsh [ 29 Feb 2008, 02:21 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
...These our actors, As I foretold you, were all spirits and Are melted into air, into thin air: And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces, The solemn temples, the great globe itself, Ye all which it inherit, shall dissolve And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff As dreams are made on, and our little life Is rounded with a sleep... (Ко погоди одакле је цитат има пиће  )Ричард III, Хенри V, Много буке ни око чега, Бура, Млетачки трговац су ми фаворити... Дефинитивно је највећи... ПС Ево линка за оне који воле да га читају у оригиналу: http://shakespeare.mit.edu/ |
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| Autoru: | pamella_morrison [ 29 Feb 2008, 03:08 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
nisam tip koji ganja citate i studiranje bilo kog pisca  a u jednom kratkom periodu svog zivota bila sam se opasno nalozila na shekspira sjecam se dobro da sam nabavila mislim neka -sabrana djela- znaci ogromna knjiga i to jos stampana na onom biblijskom papiru.. sve je bilo u tom fazonu. romeo i julija favorit definitivno a sjecam se da mi je sve bilo super 
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| Autoru: | Popokatepetl [ 29 Feb 2008, 14:26 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Damaskin je napisao: [size=110] ...These our actors, As I foretold you, were all spirits and Are melted into air, into thin air: And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces, The solemn temples, the great globe itself, Ye all which it inherit, shall dissolve And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff As dreams are made on, and our little life Is rounded with a sleep... ...Sir, I am vex'd: Bear with my weakness; my old brain is troubled. Be not disturb'd with my infirmity. If you be pleas'd, retire into my cell And there repose: a turn or two I'll walk, To still my beating mind. 
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| Autoru: | Gimli [ 29 Feb 2008, 14:31 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Ja sad citam Henri IV, a kroz srednju skolu sam citao Romeo i Julia i Hamleta. Poslije ovog planiram Henri V i Richard III. |
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| Autoru: | Jim Walsh [ 29 Feb 2008, 15:00 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Popokatepetl je napisao: ...Sir, I am vex'd: Bear with my weakness; my old brain is troubled. Be not disturb'd with my infirmity. If you be pleas'd, retire into my cell And there repose: a turn or two I'll walk, To still my beating mind. ...You do look, my son, in a moved sort, As if you were dismay'd: be cheerful, sir. Our revels now are ended... Свака част! Ред је да идуће седмице направимо неко окупљање љубитеља Шекспира: предлажем облокавање у Пабу идући петак
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| Autoru: | MonaLisa [ 29 Feb 2008, 15:09 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Ne mogu se pohvaliti da sam procitala puno djela, posto sam se skoro navukla na Shakespeara, a fucking skola zadaje lektire, tako da... Ali najbolji mi je Hamlet, bolji mi je od Romea i Julije. Svidja mi se dio gdje govori glumcima kako da glume i gdje govori o lobanji, i kako je ubio Ofelijinog oca misleci da je pacov, a on upravo i jeste ''pacov''. Ma sav mi je super. Namjeravam sad citati Bogojavljensku noc. Ta je drama interesantna zbog jedne stvari. Nekad su u pozoristu glumili samo muskarci. I danas u Londonu postoji jedno pozoriste gdje se glumi po tim starim ''obicajima''. U Bogojavljenskoj noci se radi o zeni koja se pretvara da je muskarac kako bi se priblizila covjeku koga voli. Zamislite glumca koji glumi zenu koja se pravi da je musko!  E to je izazov...
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| Autoru: | XIX century [ 29 Feb 2008, 18:16 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Damaskin je napisao: Ред је да идуће седмице направимо неко окупљање љубитеља Шекспира: предлажем облокавање у Пабу идући петак Ovog Damaskina alkija, samo traži razlog da se napije.   @ Monalisa: jeste, u Šekspirovo vrijeme žene su se mogle samo udati, kuvati ručak i rađati djecu. Da je Šekspir imao jednako talentovanu sestru, da li bi ona stvorila sva ona djela i da li bi joj bilo dozvoljeno da sjedi, čita i piše? Ne. Tako kaže Vridžinija Vulf. |
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| Autoru: | Jim Walsh [ 29 Feb 2008, 18:25 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
XIX century je napisao: Ovog Damaskina alkija, samo traži razlog da se napije. ...Ladies, a general welcome from his grace Salutes ye all; this night he dedicates To fair content and you: none here, he hopes, In all this noble bevy, has brought with her One care abroad; he would have all as merry As, first, good company, good wine, good welcome, Can make good people. O, my lord, you're tardy: The very thought of this fair company Clapp'd wings to me... |
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| Autoru: | XIX century [ 29 Feb 2008, 18:32 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Hamlet says: "Frailty, thy name is woman!" Hamlet (I, ii, 146) Ili na srpskom: " O slabosti, ime ti je žena! " |
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| Autoru: | Jim Walsh [ 29 Feb 2008, 18:38 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Има и она чувена синановска: "Иди у манастир, зашто да рађаш грешнике!"
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| Autoru: | XIX century [ 29 Feb 2008, 18:40 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Damaskin je napisao: Има и она чувена синановска: "Иди у манастир, зашто да рађаш грешнике!" Ne pravi parodiju na mog Šekspu   
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| Autoru: | Jim Walsh [ 29 Feb 2008, 18:42 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
...Get thee to a nunnery: why wouldst thou be a breeder of sinners... Hamlet, 3.1 Ет' да не испане да лажем
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| Autoru: | XIX century [ 29 Feb 2008, 18:58 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
pa dobro, ali ne uvlači Sinana u to, živ bio Evo uvijek ekscentrične i energične vještice Hekate, koja mi je skroz zanimljiva, a boldirani citat pogotovo: Macbeth, Act III, Scene V Hecate Have I not reason, beldams as you are, Saucy and overbold? How did you dare To trade and traffic with Macbeth In riddles and affairs of death; And I, the mistress of your charms, The close contriver of all harms, Was never call'd to bear my part, Or show the glory of our art? And, which is worse, all you have done Hath been but for a wayward son, Spiteful and wrathful, who, as others do, Loves for his own ends, not for you. But make amends now: get you gone, And at the pit of Acheron Meet me i' the morning: thither he Will come to know his destiny: Your vessels and your spells provide, Your charms and every thing beside. I am for the air; this night I'll spend Unto a dismal and a fatal end: Great business must be wrought ere noon: Upon the corner of the moon There hangs a vaporous drop profound; I'll catch it ere it come to ground: And that distill'd by magic sleights Shall raise such artificial sprites As by the strength of their illusion Shall draw him on to his confusion: He shall spurn fate, scorn death, and bear He hopes 'bove wisdom, grace and fear: And you all know, security Is mortals' chiefest enemy. [Music and a song within: 'Come away, come away,' &c] Hark! I am call'd; my little spirit, see, Sits in a foggy cloud, and stays for me. [Exit]
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| Autoru: | Jim Walsh [ 29 Feb 2008, 19:23 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Lingering perdition, worse than any death Can be at once, shall step by step attend You and your ways; whose wraths to guard you from-- Which here, in this most desolate isle, else falls Upon your heads--is nothing but heart-sorrow And a clear life ensuing. |
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| Autoru: | Unbeliever [ 01 Mar 2008, 13:23 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Binotresac je bio jedna višekompletna ličnost. Preferiram njegove tragedije, ali je The Tempest (Bura) takođe fenomenalna. Hamletove dileme i njegova psiha su... kao kad Robin Hood na turniru pogodi tačno u centar i pri tom rascijepi protivničku strijelu. Btw, reminds me of Paradise Lost's song Forever Failure. Umjesto Mansonovog "i dont really know what sorry means" dvoumili su se da uzmu citat iz Hamleta. Na kraju je ipak bio C.M. FOREVER FAILURE COMPOSED BY HOLMES/MACKINTOSH UNDERSTAND PROCEDURE UNDERSTAND WAR UNDERSTAND RULES, REGULATIONS I DON'T UNDERSTAND SORRY YOU MUST FEEL FRUSTRATION 'CAUSE YOUR MIND FEELS SUCH TEMPTATION AND YOUR WAYS APPEAR A TOTAL LACK OF FAITH YOU MAY FEEL ELATION AT YOUR BODY'S RE-CREATION AND THAT JOY YOU NEED, RESTRICTED BY ONE THOUGHT ARE YOU FOREVER - LOSS OF PURPOSE IN A PASSIVE LIFE ARE YOU FOREVER - PALE, REGARDED AS A WASTE OF TIME HIGH TIMES ARE COURAGEOUS BUT IN TRUTH THEY SUIT NO PURPOSE INDUCED, REDUCED, UNABLE AND AFRAID... CAN YOU FELL REJECTION AND A LACK OF MOTIVATION AND THE JOY YOU NEED RESTRICTED AND DELAYED ARE YOU FOREVER - LOSS OF PURPOSE IN A PASSIVE LIFE ARE YOU FOREVER - PALE, REGARDED AS A WASTE OF TIME I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT SORRY MEANS I'VE BEEN SORRY ALL MY LIFE I'M SORRY I WAS BORN THAT'S WHAT MY MOTHER TOLD ME I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT SORRY MEANS I'VE BEEN SORRY ALL MY LIFE I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT SORRY MEANS (komentar: Arghhhhhh...hhh.hh....) Ode ja offtopic, ode ja ,ode ja, ubacili su me u džip...
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| Autoru: | BlackHand [ 02 Mar 2008, 09:47 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Najbliže što sam ja bio Shakespearu je Radovan III ;) Kiddin'... All time favorites? Vjerovatno Romeo i Julija, ali ni Hamlet nije za potcijenit. A notorna je laž da se o Shakespeareu nije pisalo na forumu. Dosta smo razglabali i o tome je li on pisao ili nije i o kvalitetu dijela, koji je naupitan, je li.. |
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| Autoru: | MonaLisa [ 02 Mar 2008, 14:21 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Jbg, ja sam josuvijek noviji clan, tako da ne znam sta ste pisali, a ne mogu naci nikakve teme pomocu Pretrage. I ja sam cula da neka njegova djela nisu originalna. Ali i ako je tako, niko ne moze poreci vrijednost njegovih, cak i ako je ''krao'' tudje ideje i pisao po uzoru na neka druga djela, ipak je uveo svoje misli. Mogu i ja napisati djelo sa istom radnjom kao i u Hamletu, ali bitne su misli koje pisac napise i nacin na koji on to citaocu prenese. |
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| Autoru: | zLo_krme [ 02 Mar 2008, 16:34 ] |
| Tema posta: | Re: To be, or not to be... (by Shakespeare) |
Naravno da je plagijator.... Priča o Romeu i Juliji je starija oko 200 godina od njegove... |
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