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Zasto Srbi mrze Turke. Mrze ih zato sto su bili njihovi okupatori blizu 500 godina. Mrze ih zato sto su od njih porazeni na Kosuvu, poslije caga se nisu mogli oporaviti za nekoliko stotina godina, pa su morali ratovati kao vazali i ginuti za interese Turaka. Sigurno je bilo i zlocina sa turske strane, jer nema ni jednog okupatora koji to nije cinio, ali mi ovdje kazemo, da to nije u onoj mjeri koliko srpski istoricari pricaju-pisu.

Pgledajte koliko je samo srusenih dzamija u poslednjem ratu. Turci nisu toliko srusili pravoslavnih bogomolja za gotovo 500 godina svoje vladavine nad Srbima.

Cesto se pominje prva bracna noc. Molio bih, ako neko ima tekst tog zakona da nam ga prezentira, jer ja sumnjam da bi tako nesto trpio bilo koji narod na svijetu. Pozdrav Zah

netacno, vecina crkvi su bili spaljene ili srusene od strane turaka, da bi se kasnije neke od njih obnovile.

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Banjalucanin-to je zanimanje!

Serbian Orthodox Christians were forbidden from making wine, breeding pigs, and from selling pork products by the Muslim rulers. Serbian Orthodox Christians could not be saddlers, tanners, or candle makers, or trade in honey, butter, and other items. The only legal market day for the Christian Serbs was Sunday under the Sheriat, or Shariah, the Muslim religious legal code. Sunday, however, was the holy day or Sabbath for Christians, thus Serbian inhabitants of Bosnia had to choose between eating or observing their religious faith. Moreover, Christian Serbs paid much higher taxes than Muslims. A poll tax (arac, or harach, tribute) or head tax was levied on Serbs at a ducat per year. This poll tax only applied to non-Muslims who had reached the age of 14, but since birth registers (matriken) were never kept in Turkey, the result was that every Serbian Christian boy without distinction as to age was required to pay the tax. The curvee, or unpaid labor due from a serf to his lord, was exacted from Orthodox Serbian serfs. In 1848, the curvee was abolished during the reforms, but the lords, begs and agas, were allowed to increase their rents on their lands. An 1859 decree made Muslim landowners the owners of the land outright, making the Serbian Orthodox sharecroppers, who worked on the land of the Muslim beys or agas and received a share of the crops, like a white or Negro sharecropper in the US South.

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Banjalucanin-to je zanimanje!

In Sarajevo, the Serbian Orthodox Church dedicated to the Holy Archangels and built in the 16th century, was permitted to exist only if it was surrounded by a high wall which would make it invisible to the eyes of Muslims.
The Islamic Kanun-i-Rayah, the Muslim legal code, prohibited bells, the wearing of crosses by the kaurin, or unbeliever or infidel, "and they (i.e., the rayah) may not sing during said outings, nor in their houses, nor in other places. "Only in 1860 was special permission obtained from Topal Osman-Pash to hang a church bell.
In the Decree of Omar II from the Koran-al-Raya, the Muslim law for the kaurin or infidel in the territories conquered by Muslims, the following prohibitions appeared against Christians and Jews: Christians and Jews in lands conquered by Muslims are not allowed to build or to repair their own cloisters and churches, the acquisition of property is allowed only to Muslims and is forbidden to Christians and Jews, Christians and Jews cannot read or touch the Koran or learn Arabic, Christians and Jews cannot sue each other, they cannot wear the same shoes or clothes as a Muslim, they cannot ride a horse with a saddle, within a house they can only whisper and may sing softly, Muslims can plow up and sow over old cemeteries of Christians and Jews, "the Miscreants", Christians and Jews cannot produce wine, wear wide belts, or carry or own weapons, Muslims must be given the place of honor in all dwellings and a Muslim must not be contradicted, Muslims must always be greeted with respect, Christians and Jews cannot manufacture seals with their own names and must provide hostels for Muslims.

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Banjalucanin-to je zanimanje!

Sir Arthur Evans described this Muslim counter-revolution led by the Bashi-Bazouks as follows:
[T]he long-restrained savagery of the old dominant caste has burst forth like a caged lion for the defence of Islam. The marauding bands now desolating Bosnia are for the most part headed by Begs and Agas, scions of the old Bosnian nobility; the Bashi-Bazouks are simply feudal retainers following their lords. They are mere organized brigands cutting down women, children, and old men. Thus, in Bosnia, the Christian outbreak has been opposed by a counter-revolution of Moslem fanaticism in close alliance with the still vital relics of Bosnian feudalism.

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Banjalucanin-to je zanimanje!

Imas li ista prevedeno na naski?

šta si ti učio u školi.
arapski???

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SRPSKOM...

Srpskom, takodje...
Srpskohrvatski jezik je rezultat Novosadskog dogovora koji se odrzao 1950. godine. Do tada taj jezik nije postojao. Ali, priznajem - bio je srecno rjesenje u drzavi SFRJ. Sve drugo bi vjerovatno ubrzalo njen raspad... Ali, da ne idemo u off...

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Cause I'm tired of this scenes...

Pa svojom voljom su se bavili stocarstvom.
Sta ces, ne mogu se krave i svinje cuvati po gradovima.
Nisu mogli ni prije kao ni danas sto ne mogu.

Na tvoju zalost, primjera pravoslavaca (nisu se tada izjasnjavali kao Srbi) i ostalih koji su zivjeli i radili po gradovima je isuvise.

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'ajd u zdravlje

Eto, na kraju je i drug EZAN morao reci sta misli o Srbima i o pravoslavcima! Jos samo da se izjasni i drug "zah"...

Bravo, EZENE! Iskrenost je vrlina!

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Cause I'm tired of this scenes...

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Zah ce se izjasniti svojim komentarima kada budemo tretirali problematiku Srba u Bosni. To je malo slozenija problematika,pa za takave komentare treba vremena. Inace, ja sam se djelimicno vec izjasnio, samo to moje izjasnjavanje neki su prokomentariusali kao "bajagi".

Tesko je biti realan Bosnjak na banjsluckom forumu, posebno kada se tretira problematika istorije i politike. Jednostavno ljudi su pogresno ufurani u politicku i istorijsku problematiku, jer su citali jednostrane pristupe odredjenim problemima. Pozdrav Zah

Prvom mogucom prilikom prezentirat cu jedan interesantan tekst o Srbima u Bosni. Autor je Josip Vrbic, istoricar koji zivi u Kaliforniji. Kao student bio je jedan od vodja one cuvene Studentske pobune u Zagrebu, gdje su se afirmisali Budisa i Cicak. Budisi i Cicku zabranjeno je skolovanje u YU, pa su skolovanje nastavili u Engleskoj, a Vrbic je kao manje poznat, poslan na Goli otok. Poslije toga nastavlja skolovanje u Austriji i SAD.

Po meni tekst je interesantan, ima nekih novih cinjenica, ali za tako nesto ja trebam vrijeme, a vremena nema bas puno. Pozdrav Zah

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mene zivo interesuje kako bolan takvi mogu i da pridju fakultetu a kamo li da studiraju. Na niske grane je spao banjalucki univerzitet.
Gdje to pise sta EZAN misli o Srbima?
Ti ako smatras da citas necije misli ... brzo trci na TV Pink ... ima emisiju da "o tebi napravU".
To da su Srbi "seljacki" narod, koji se bavio poljoprivredom i stocarstvom ... pa to bar mozes da procitas u svim knjigama. Pogledaj malo i Srbiju (u ta doba).... sto si se ogranicio samo na Bosnu.
Uporedi procente LJUDI koji su zivjeli u ruralnim podrucjima i u urbanim sredinama, a da i ne govorim kako su MALI (po broju stanovnika) gradovi bili tada.
Daj malo razmisljajte tim svojim glavama.
Nije bas sve po vasem principu .... laHka ova Historija samo treba puno hODATI.

Jos jednom .... dok god imamo primjer samo JEDNOG Srbina koji je zivio na gradskom podrucju u ta doba (a ima ih koliko hoces) imamo i primjer moguceg zivljenja. A sto ih je vecina zivjela po selima ..... nije ni to tesko za shvatiti uzevsi u obzir sta je "grad" tada nudio (dakle od cega se moglo prezivljavati u gradu) ....
Uostalom i vecina muslimanskog stanovnistva je zivjela u ruralnim, prigradskim podrucjima.
Nisu svi bili age i begovi.

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'ajd u zdravlje

Cim je on bio ucesnik "Hrvatskog proljeca", znam kakvo razmisljanje ima.Garant je text o"velikosrpskim imperijalistickim ciljevima i porobljavanju svih nesrba diljem Balkana,a i sire".
Ali ,samo ti postavi text, sve sam do sada procitao,pa cu i taj.
Nemoj misliti da odmah sa predrasudama pristupam citanju(mada bi iz mog uvoda mogao to zakljuciti),samo jos nisam procitao nijedan text koji si prezentovao , a da se Srbi i u najmanjem dijelu prikazuju u pozitivnom svjetlu.Znam,reci ces da ti samo iznosis kontraargumente i kontrastavove, ali u sve i jednom se moze naci rijec "Nacertanije" i 'Velika Srbija".
Pozdrav

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Neka te, EZANE...
Rekao si sto si imao...
Vidi se da su muslimani od svog nastanka, a to je bilo prije nastanka svijeta, odmah zivjeli po gradovima...
Ajd, u zdravlju mi ostaj i sljedeci put odmah napisi sta mislis o mrskim Srbima ili nekom drugom narodu koji ne pripada islamskom svijetu, a ne da se ovoliko zavlacimo!

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Cause I'm tired of this scenes...

nikad ovde neće biti civilizovane rasprave, da ne velim diskursa. mislim i u paradržavi bosni, a ne samo na forumu.

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