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" Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."
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Autoru:  filozof sa vrbasa [ 15 Okt 2012, 00:50 ]
Tema posta:  " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

Ovaj tekst sam morao prenjeti u originalu. :D

Citiraj:
The ruling parties of Catalonia have sought guidance from Brussels on the legality of secession
from Spain, requesting a “route map” for membership of the European Union and the euro as an
independent state.
It is the latest move in a fast-escalating clash between Catalan nationalists and Spanish
nationalists, the latter backed by King Juan Carlos and the Spanish military.
Jose-Manuel Garcia-Margallo, the foreign minister, threw down the gauntlet, calling Catalan
secession “illegal and lethal”. He warned that Spain would use its veto to stop the region of
Catalonia becoming an EU member “indefinitely”.
The constitutional crisis has eclipsed the parallel drama of a Spanish bail-out request from the
European Stability Mechanism. It is no longer clear whether premier Mariano Rajoy can deliver
on any austerity deal with Brussels.
Catalan leader Artur Mas held high-stakes talks with Mr Rajoy in Madrid on Thursday, armed
with a mandate from the Catalan parliament and with charged emotions left from an
unprecedented protest by 1.5m people in Barcelona 10 days ago.
He demanded an independent treasury for the rich Catalan region, with control over its own tax
base akin to the model already enjoyed by Basques. The 9m Catalans have an economy the
size of Austria’s.
“It did not go well,” he said. The Rajoy government said Spain’s constitution allows no margin
for compromise. Mr Mas refused to meet the press in the prime minister’s offices, retreating to
the Catalan delegation, where he spoke before the Catalan and EU flags. “Constitutions may or
may not be modified, but they do not subjugate the will of the people,” he said.
Catalonia’s parliament will meet next week to “think deeply” about its next fateful step.
“Catalonia will follow its path. We have no enemies but we will build our own project as a
country,” said Mr Mas.
The newspaper Confidencial reported that his Convergència i Unió (CiU) party and coalition
partners have asked the European Commission whether Spain can prevent Catalans exercising
democratic self-determination, and whether a sovereign Catalonia could remain part of the EU’s
single market and the euro.
The speed of events has caught almost everybody by surprise, including Mr Mas himself. His
CiU has, until now, pursued a policy of calculated ambiguity over secession. Mr Mas has
pivoted quickly, embracing what he calls the “popular outcry” as his own.
The antagonisms date back to the Franco era and, above all, to 1714 when Philip V abolished
all Catalan institutions, and imposed Castilian laws and absolutism by right of conquest.
Diplomats say Mr Rajoy’s Partido Popular has provoked the latest eruption of fury by exploiting
the economic crisis to break the power of the regions. This came to a head over the summer
when Catalonia was forced to request a €5bn rescue from Madrid, though it is a net contributor
to the Spanish state.
Spain’s economic slump has frayed nerves across the country, much as it did before the Civil
War in the 1930s. Unemployment has risen to 25.1pc and may go higher as the delayed effects
of austerity bite deeper.
Citigroup expects the economy to contract by 3.2pc next year and 0.8pc in 2014, pushing
public debt to 100pc of GDP.
Chief economist Willem Buiter said the mix of austerity and reform will not restore Spain to
“fiscal sustainability”, even if EU loans keep Spain going for another couple of years. He expects
“debt restructuring” in the end. The warm glow of the European Central Bank’s bond plan helped
Spain sell 10-year debt at 5.66pc on Thursday, the lowest since February.
Mr Rajoy appears to determined to play for time, hoping that he can muddle through without a
rescue.
Traders say such gamesmanship is unlikely to succeed for long. Mr Rajoy also hopes to siphon
off part of the €100bn in EU rescue package for Spanish banks, but this is certain to infuriate
Germany’s Bundestag.
Spanish politics are now intruding, in any case. An EU bail-out memorandum would have to
include fiscal restraint for the regions, further inflaming Catalonia.
The risks of a misjudgement are growing. The king caused irritation in Catalonia this week by
warning against the seduction of “chimeras” – his first such crisis intervention since 1981.
A serving army officer, Colonel Francisco Alaman, has fuelled the flames by comparing the crisis
with 1936 – when Gen Francisco Franco seized power – and by vowing to crush Catalan
nationalists, described as “vultures”.
“Independence for Catalunya? Over my dead body. Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium. Even if
the lion is sleeping, don’t provoke the lion, because he will show the ferocity proven over
centuries,” he said.
Retired Lt-Gen Pedro Pitarch, a former army chief, said the words reflect “deeply-rooted thinking
in large parts of the armed forces”. He also accused Madrid of bungling the Catalan drama
disastrously.
“Are we looking at a failed state?” he asked. Investors holding Spanish debt are listening
carefully.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... -fury.html
Uglavnom u tekstu se kaze da Spanija nikada nece dopustiti ulazak Katalonije u EU, iako je Katalonija po ekonomskoj snazi kao Austrija, a Spanija u dugu.

Bice zanimljivo pratiti rasplet ove situacije.

Autoru:  LemiGO [ 17 Okt 2012, 06:53 ]
Tema posta:  Re: " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

Bilo bi lijepo da se Katalonija odvoji i da medjusobno zarate, a bilo bi jos ljepse kad bi mi to znali iskoristiti pa da im valjamo oruzje i konzerve kojima je prosao rok trajanja.

Autoru:  filozof sa vrbasa [ 17 Okt 2012, 11:14 ]
Tema posta:  Re: " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

Sve dok imamo zajednickih interesa sa Spancima ja sam uz Spaniju.

Autoru:  STRATOKASTEL [ 17 Okt 2012, 13:12 ]
Tema posta:  Re: " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

Podsjeti me, matere ti, koji su to zajednički interesi? Osim disanja zraka i tome slično...

Autoru:  filozof sa vrbasa [ 17 Okt 2012, 13:44 ]
Tema posta:  Re: " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

Oni nece da priznaju cige s Kosova, mi necemo priznati cige iz Barselone.

Autoru:  shakal [ 17 Okt 2012, 13:44 ]
Tema posta:  Re: " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

Nema sta, to puno znaci i nama i njima...

Autoru:  g|e@ck [ 18 Okt 2012, 12:31 ]
Tema posta:  Re: " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

Više od svega bih volio ovakav scenario da se dogodi Njemačkoj! Bio bi to praznik za oči!

Autoru:  Шајин [ 18 Okt 2012, 12:36 ]
Tema posta:  Re: " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

odakle ti filozofe i kako kopiraš te svoje tekstove kad imaju tako čudno formatiranje?

Autoru:  filozof sa vrbasa [ 18 Okt 2012, 14:22 ]
Tema posta:  Re: " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

sajo to je do tableta ili telefona, pojma nisam imao dok nisam vidio kako to na racunaru izgleda, ne znam sta da radim

koristim operu mini

Autoru:  filozof sa vrbasa [ 01 Okt 2017, 11:05 ]
Tema posta:  Re: " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

Jbg, ne podržavam blokiranje referenduma to smo čak i mi ovde imali. Ali kad čuješ narod koji je protiv referenduma, možeš se samo slatko nasmijati, tipa, kako ćemo mi preživjeti bez bogatih Katalonaca. :lol:

Čuh prije nekog vremena da su otvorili ambasadu u ZG za Balkan, nešto poput naših.

Autoru:  Čiča iz Rogače [ 01 Okt 2017, 11:20 ]
Tema posta:  Re: " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

Policija otvara vatru,ima povrijeđenih.Biće svega.

Autoru:  filozof sa vrbasa [ 01 Okt 2017, 11:24 ]
Tema posta:  Re: " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

Gumeni su i na mene je SFOR pucao, kada smo protestovali protiv Brčkog da postane distrikt.

Autoru:  Čiča iz Rogače [ 01 Okt 2017, 11:27 ]
Tema posta:  Re: " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

Fiki,pa ti si naš španski borac

Autoru:  filozof sa vrbasa [ 01 Okt 2017, 11:29 ]
Tema posta:  Re: " Spain is not Yugoslavia or Belgium."

:D

Ne sjećam se da me je Arbitražni sud za status Brčkog pitao u kom entitetu hoću da živim.

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